Concerning Camarilla, -my story.

[Tom Stall]

Hey,

So alright, I'd like to tell you all something about Camarilla and it's Prince, who STOLE the leadership, yes Sam got it in very unfair way. And yet better, OOCly.

So, where to begin. I joined to Inquisition in very beginning of my time in the server. After all got promoted to Co-leader.

Then I was out of SAMP for a week due to IRL, and I see Sam has taken the Inquisition, and changed it.. it basically lost it's purpose and it became... poor. Demoted me to rank 1... Alessandro and other veterans as well. All I did was worthless after this, all my efforts and loyalty to the Inquisition, gone. Because of this one guy who steals the leadership.

Is this FAIR? I'd like to know what you all think.


- Derek Webb / Tom Stall

[Tommy Carreiro]

This is just like your taken leadership in UC. It's unfair. I'd vote for you to get it back.

[Max Woods]

What seems here is that you were inactive and probably a new leader was chosen, he can sometimes act with a bad attitude but he knows much about WoD and about vampires, I got no problem with him with his leadership, but due to your story, atleast be some kind of "co-leader", whatever. Not my business.

[Tom Stall]

What seems here is that you were inactive and probably a new leader was chosen, he can sometimes act with a bad attitude but he knows much about WoD and about vampires, I got no problem with him with his leadership, but due to your story, atleast be some kind of "co-leader", whatever. Not my business.

Did you read what I said? I was gone for a week, because I had things to take care of IRL.

E: And I know this guy for a long time, anyway...

[Alex Montgomery]

He made Camarilla shit?




EDIT:So you're saying it became bullshit just because you and Alessandro got demoted? .__.

[Tom Stall]

He made Camarilla shit?




EDIT:So you're saying it became bullshit just because you and Alessandro got demoted? .__.

As far as I know, trolling here is forbidden and you are an admin? Shame.

You fool, I said it became shit after he became leader.

[Kevin Alymer]

Can you explain on how it got shit? Also Sam was chosen for his knowledge on WoD, and even today there's no one who has bothered to read about it more than him as far as I know.

[Tom Stall]

Can you explain on how it got shit? Also Sam was chosen for his knowledge on WoD, and even today there's no one who has bothered to read about it more than him as far as I know.

Already explained you.

Though, knowledge isn't right to get certain priviledges in things such as this. He should have earned it, not stolen it and made people angry.

[Alex Montgomery]

How exactly did I troll, may I ask?

[Tom Stall]

How exactly did I troll, may I ask?

That picture, it's considered as trolling.

[Alex Montgomery]

-Remark that someone is upset, get called a troll-

[Tom Stall]

-Remark that someone is upset, get called a troll-

Using meme's in general.. and now, when was I upset, may I ask?

[Tommy Carreiro]

-Remark that someone is upset, get called a troll-

Enough, Chuck. Everyone must have their limits.

[Jamie Steel]

Sam was given leadership by the previous prince.

[Tom Stall]

Sam was given leadership by the previous prince.

Aless? No, he never did.

Daegan was temporary Prince while Aless was gone if you meant him. So, Nope, never.

[Nicolas Djordjevic]

Hey,

So alright, I'd like to tell you all something about Camarilla and it's Prince, who STOLE the leadership, yes Sam got it in very unfair way. And yet better, OOCly.

So, where to begin. I joined to Inquisition in very beginning of my time in the server. After all got promoted to Co-leader.

Then I was out of SAMP for a week due to IRL, and I see Sam has taken the Inquisition, and changed it.. it basically lost it's purpose and it became... poor. Demoted me to rank 1... Alessandro and other veterans as well. All I did was worthless after this, all my efforts and loyalty to the Inquisition, gone. Because of this one guy who steals the leadership.

Is this FAIR? I'd like to know what you all think.




- Derek Webb / Tom Stall

Ah, finally. My five minutes have come.

Fair? Sure, it is NOT fair. Cause my hard work was gone as well, and as you can see I didn't made rage QQ topic about it.

Was I mentioned in any of those stories for joining Inquisition? Nah, no, noez, hell no, I am shitty vampire and I do not deserve, or did deserved to be part of Inquisition.

But wait, you want to be the Prince, don't you. As we all see Sam went inactive.

Why not, give this guy Prince status cause he deserved it, and remaining vampires didn't deserved a *Beep*. We are useless piece of *beep* anyway, aren't we? Since you are mentioning you and Alessandro so much in that story?

I don't want to get over this crap again, Sam is doing just fine whatever you like it or not. Just face the fact. He didn't took anything from you nor from anyone else. No one except you complaining about crap connected to Camarilla until now.

How about Nikky Black? AKA Lucius Spencer? As far as -I- know he joined back in February. Yeah, he's having 12th Generation but he ain't complaining unlike you. How about Salv? Salvatore gave Sam Camarilla not because Sam's lolpowergreedy, it's because he knows how to lead it and not to mention his WoD knowledge... ( I ain't saying that Aless, Shin, Salv, Yuudai or whoever else were shitty leaders either).

^That is my opinion, thanks for reading, and don't get offended cause I still respect you as a player and I do not want to get into old argue from time ago. (( AKA Zorp bullcrap))

[Ferdinand Brixius]

-Remark that someone is upset, get called a troll-

*cough wheeze* Uhm.. Well. To be fair.. I.. Kinda agree with Kevin.. I mean. Tom. How limited is your knowledge of WoD?

[Sam Akabara]

TThe Camarilla is not the same faction as the INquisition.

Alessandro had a pretty good job. He went back to human, then came back, and was never really bothered about any titles. then he left the server.

You came back and moped around for a while complaining about how you didn't have a "High up" position.
Despite this constant moping, you did stuff all to earn anything. So you got nothing. You contributed the same amount as a Teapot.
Then you went off again.

Also you seem to have like, gotten everything mixed up in your heads.
I put the Camarilla shit in, the WoD shit. Before that vamps were just on the old system that they had in place since...The beggining.
I got the job becuase noone else wanted it.
And Tom, when you were inq leader for like, a week?...You did...Umm...Nothing. It was all very, very dead. You got it becuase you were the last person left there.


And there's a few..Forbidden ways to raise your BP. It's just a matter of..Doing something not legit.
High risk-high reward shit.

[Kevin Alymer]

Sam didn't steal anything, he was the only one up for it, and actually probably the only one who could lead it properly at the time. And its not stealing when you work for it, look at all his written work, in the Camarilla board and the guides he wrote.

I do agree that now Cama is more inactive, but there's other factors rather than Sam that are causing it. Vampires go all, lolfriends with weries, some of them probably don't even feed properly and they don't get involved as in creating their own groups, factions and so on. Sam can't do everything. And if you think Sam is inactive, then go read the guides, and the books, try to understand them and use them in game and I think Sam won't have a problem putting people in high ranks and having others create their own guides per their bloodlines. The one with the most bloodlines experience can offer their help to Sam but so far I don't really think anyone's up for helping him.


Knowledge is needed, it's not about who gets it, for power or w/e but whoever works to get it and is up for it.

[Armaros]

Sam knows how to deal with it, unfortunately, Stall, you don't, the way you were dealing with it before was kind off... desperate.

[Tom Stall]

@Nicolas,

You throw the argument towards me not my post... No I am not doing this to get leadership of Camarilla, no I am not. I am doing this to discuss it and telling why I left again...

And I am not raging here, err?

@Sam,

Oh right.. didn't know Aless went back to human. And I was never actually a leader, I was co-leader and I tried to be on as much as I could. I was on every day back then. And I was in that position for around month. You should blame Daegan for the inactiveness. And well, what's BP?

Though, this is still pissing me because I got demoted to rank 1 when I was only a week gone.. I hope you understand why I am angry..


@McDon,

Well well well, look who is talking. First of all, you.. the one who insulted Sam to me like 1000 times in our chats? Now defends him? You are funny one. And the one who said VH is for retards and is shit? The one who wasn't around here when I was co-leader of it?

You can do better than that.

[Sam Akabara]

Ther fac tthat you consider there to be a "Rank 1" and that it's a "Bad thing"....You've really got no idea, have you.

[Tom Stall]

Ther fac tthat you consider there to be a "Rank 1" and that it's a "Bad thing"....You've really got no idea, have you.

*Sigh* You don't get my point. I was Seneschal and I am gone for a week due to IRL, and you demote me to rank 1... and being in rank 1 of "Camarilla" is not nice... You think I wanted to be some outsider after all my efforts to it? No thanks.

[Sam Akabara]

You just proved my point. Again.

[Lloyd McFadden]

Derek, Read the guides before you look more like a idiot....

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