Re: The Religion Topic

[D_Donnerfield]

Yeah, there are consequences to breaking the laws of the Muslim Shariah (Law), and yes they are extreme, because it clearly states in the Holy Qu'ran of what you can and can't do, but some people, STILL break these rules, therefore they are punished, brutally, simple as. Don't do the crime if you can't handle the consequences.

[D_Donnerfield]

And you must also remember, that there are different types of muslims, and they all follow similar rules, but however some are very different from the others and yes they can be violent, but that's their misinterpretation of the Qu'ran or thats basically their belief or what they think is right.

[D_Donnerfield]

Yes, we did have holy war, but we did have a reason for it, it wasn't some Team Death-match game that we decided to play because we were bored..Everything the Muslims did before has a reason.

[ArielV]

^Superposter.

[Sonerin]

It doesn't actually say that in Qu'ran. I can assure you, and if it is, then your telling me that all the muslims around the world who have non muslim friends are now non believers? Seriously?...It must be somewhere around that type of region, but I'm sure it doesn't say that..

I'm not telling you that, Qur'an is.

[Kira Tsujimura]

Great! Debate over! Continue explaining what your beliefs are. ( For those that haven't posted of course )

[D_Donnerfield]

It doesn't say that though..

[Sonerin]

It doesn't say that though..

[D_Donnerfield]

How'd you know thats real huh'? And how do you know the meaning is what it is?

[Sonerin]

How'd you know thats real huh'? And how do you know the meaning is what it is?

I have had many of my friends from Iran translate them for me. Quit trying to change the topic, it is in Qur'an.

[Simon Bourne]

Back on Topic.


I don't believe in God and i certainly don't believe in the Church or the Bible.

I believe in the facts that science offers, since they're more logical.

[Peter Greenson]

You can accept science for what it is and be religious.

Why has the only defence been 'Oh its not in the Qur'an.' that sounds a bit light weighted. I'll read the Quran eventually but why is there fake sources everywhere? What's the problem with that as well, it's people's interpretations of that text.... Happened lots in the bible (Ancient Greek -> English translation changed lots).

[Terry Winston]

To be honest religion has gotten out of hand i don't want to offend anyones belifs but im a seeing is beliveing kind of guy all the rubbish about god works in mysterious ways is rubbish of he is all seeing and all knowing he would step in and interveen religion in my opinion was made out of fear it was people way of explaining the unknown and now people abuse religion as a reason to fight or kill. The world would be a better place with out it.

[Jager Arach]

To be honest religion has gotten out of hand i don't want to offend anyones belifs but im a seeing is beliveing kind of guy all the rubbish about god works in mysterious ways is rubbish of he is all seeing and all knowing he would step in and interveen religion in my opinion was made out of fear it was people way of explaining the unknown and now people abuse religion as a reason to fight or kill. The world would be a better place with out it.

Man would simply find a different reason to shed blood. This Earth would be better off without man.

[D_Donnerfield]

I ain't trying to change the topic, there are different types of muslims..

[D_Donnerfield]

You can accept science for what it is and be religious.

Why has the only defence been 'Oh its not in the Qur'an.' that sounds a bit light weighted. I'll read the Quran eventually but why is there fake sources everywhere? What's the problem with that as well, it's people's interpretations of that text.... Happened lots in the bible (Ancient Greek -> English translation changed lots).

I agree.

[Sam Akabara]

Quite frankly, you're all a bunch of crackpots.
It's got no real impact on you. Sure, it effects the world, but you can't change it, and it's not doing anything to you that you can change, so why care so much?
Just like, get on with your lives and carry on.

[Sonerin]

Quite frankly, you're all a bunch of crackpots.
It's got no real impact on you. Sure, it effects the world, but you can't change it, and it's not doing anything to you that you can change, so why care so much?
Just like, get on with your lives and carry on.

Did you watch the videos I've sent you? Do you know what happens when you against Islam in the Middle-East? Or do you know what happens when you are not veiled?

I ain't trying to change the topic, there are different types of muslims..

Muslim = Follower of Islam. Same thing.

[Mike Dan]

It doesn't say that though..

I'll not lie, That's true.. why..? CUZ.. at that time voilence was fitting..,Now, We have courts and jails and so.. There are two ways.. and ofc. Countries use Jails now, Anything else? Debate over? Oh.. Good.. (Cuz If you do post one more thing about "Islam is based on voilence LOLOOLOLOLOL" I'll have to type even more stuff..)

PS: It is stated in the Qu'ran that the Christians are supposed to be our friends directly after our brothers in Islam
PSS: Your "O' Ye who belive don't take the christians or jews >>>" Is missing a small part..? Basicly ,I Would translate to the following : 'Oh You who belive, Don't >TRUST< The Christians Or jews >more than your brothers<'

Debate over.. ? (The never the less.. The Crusades were done by Europen countries too.. So that only states that at that time.. Voilence was a need)

PSSS: Excuse me but.. Wasn't there a German Extremist who Killed a muslim woman for wearing a hegab? (Something to cover the hair and face of the women in islam) , Yeah.. We are sooo voilent..

[Sam Akabara]

Quite frankly, you're all a bunch of crackpots.
It's got no real impact on you. Sure, it effects the world, but you can't change it, and it's not doing anything to you that you can change, so why care so much?
Just like, get on with your lives and carry on.

Did you watch the videos I've sent you? Do you know what happens when you against Islam in the Middle-East? Or do you know what happens when you are not veiled?

That's over there = not here = not my problem. Yes it's horrible. And stuff. So's rape, gang crime, government corrpuption and general wrongdoing.
As i said. Y'can't change it, it's not affecting you, just keep on rollin.

I ain't trying to change the topic, there are different types of muslims..

Muslim = Follower of Islam. Same thing.[/quote]

That's the same as lumping Christians in the same boat.
Catholics and Protestants are both christian. I'd argue that they are very, very fundamentally different.

Point is, at the end of the day, "Nobody really cares". They log off this forum and then that's it, it's out of their mind until they log on again.


Have a song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSlHSq3cFAg

The beginning makes a damn good point i think.

[Sonerin]

I'll not lie, That's true.. why..? CUZ.. at that time voilence was fitting..,Now, We have courts and jails and so.. There are two ways.. and ofc. Countries use Jails now, Anything else? Debate over? Oh.. Good.. (Cuz If you do post one more thing about "Islam is based on voilence LOLOOLOLOLOL" I'll have to type even more stuff..)

1. They still follow that rule. They lash women on the streets. Even worse, they burn their faces with acid. So, if someone comes up to me and asks me to follow this book, I'll directly shove it up their -.. Nevermind, someone will call me fascist again.

PS: It is stated in the Qu'ran that the Christians are supposed to be our friends directly after our brothers in Islam
PSS: Your "O' Ye who belive don't take the christians or jews >>>" Is missing a small part..? Basicly ,I Would translate to the following : 'Oh You who belive, Don't >TRUST< The Christians Or jews >more than your brothers<'

2. No matter how peaceful that part gets, it still has hostility in it. And the thing is, Muslims follow this book. So, people go around not trusting Jews and Christians. So let's say I am a Christian/Jew/Pagan, will this make me an untrustworthy person? Or less trustable than a Muslim?

PSSS: Excuse me but.. Wasn't there a German Extremist who Killed a muslim woman for wearing a hegab? (Something to cover the hair and face of the women in islam) , Yeah.. We are sooo voilent..

Now you are changing the topic. I am saying that Muslims in the Middle-East lash and punish women who don't bunker themselves up with dark grim reaper costumes. Why the hell would a German extermist killing a veiled woman be related to my point? It doesn't change the fact that women are being opressed in the Middle-East. I feel like I am trying to speak sense into a tomato.

[Sonerin]

Sorry, the posting function is bugged, have to double-post;

As i said. Y'can't change it, it's not affecting you, just keep on rollin.

Yes, it DOES affect me, in a heavy way. I get classified as a villain who is evil in many ways, just because I am an Atheist. Sometimes people don't befriend me in real life, just because I am an Atheist. I saw it on the news two days ago; A woman in Eastern Turkey was beaten up for smoking. This is not the only violence by Islam, I'm sure you know what I am talking about.

[Sam Akabara]

Sorry, the posting function is bugged, have to double-post;

As i said. Y'can't change it, it's not affecting you, just keep on rollin.

Yes, it DOES affect me, in a heavy way. I get classified as a villain who is evil in many ways, just because I am an Atheist. Sometimes people don't befriend me in real life, just because I am an Atheist. I saw it on the news two days ago; A woman in Eastern Turkey was beaten up for smoking. This is not the only violence by Islam, I'm sure you know what I am talking about.

I was talking about me more than anyone else, well, anyone it doesnt affect anyhow. Turkeys a long way away from me.
Anyhow. You won't stop whatevers there. There's two things you can do: One, don't spout your views to people who you know'll whack you for 'em and two: Move away.
If neither of those are possible. Option three comes into play: Keep your head down and make enough money to get outta that hellhole.
And plenty of Religeons are responsible for some kind of Half Baked Violence over one thing or another. None are clear.

[Sonerin]

Sorry, the posting function is bugged, have to double-post;

As i said. Y'can't change it, it's not affecting you, just keep on rollin.

Yes, it DOES affect me, in a heavy way. I get classified as a villain who is evil in many ways, just because I am an Atheist. Sometimes people don't befriend me in real life, just because I am an Atheist. I saw it on the news two days ago; A woman in Eastern Turkey was beaten up for smoking. This is not the only violence by Islam, I'm sure you know what I am talking about.

I was talking about me more than anyone else, well, anyone it doesnt affect anyhow. Turkeys a long way away from me.
Anyhow. You won't stop whatevers there. There's two things you can do: One, don't spout your views to people who you know'll whack you for 'em and two: Move away.
If neither of those are possible. Option three comes into play: Keep your head down and make enough money to get outta that hellhole.
And plenty of Religeons are responsible for some kind of Half Baked Violence over one thing or another. None are clear.

So you finally decided to justify my point. You can't live near I-slam without getting your face I-slammed in. And because of this, I am against Islam.

[Sam Akabara]

Never said you can't live near it.
Try not to be so vocal. I wouldn't go around Birmingham or Bradford voicing my opinions.
There's a time and a place. People you don't know, generally not the place.

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